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		<title>Kommentar zu Racism is false and evil &#8211; Interview von thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>thomas</dc:creator>
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		<description>Thanks for alle the information and links, I will thouroughly follow it up. Nevertheless I am neither Beyerhaus, nor Lutheran or anything of the things you criticise. As my new book agaisnt &quot;Racism&quot; will be on the market soon, you will see this for yourself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for alle the information and links, I will thouroughly follow it up. Nevertheless I am neither Beyerhaus, nor Lutheran or anything of the things you criticise. As my new book agaisnt &#8220;Racism&#8221; will be on the market soon, you will see this for yourself.</p>
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		<title>Kommentar zu Racism is false and evil &#8211; Interview von Albert Knox</title>
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		<dc:creator>Albert Knox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2012 02:18:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JTSA Arendse_The Gospel Defence League- This group is linked to IKBG
web.uct.ac.za/depts/ricsa/trc/j69arend.htm - 
[16] Beyerhaus has also become a leading spokesperson for the Gospel ... is symptomatic of the East-West conflict and not the result of apartheid ideology. ..... Peter Beyerhaus, The Kairos Document - Challenge or Danger to the Church? ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JTSA Arendse_The Gospel Defence League- This group is linked to IKBG<br />
web.uct.ac.za/depts/ricsa/trc/j69arend.htm &#8211;<br />
[16] Beyerhaus has also become a leading spokesperson for the Gospel &#8230; is symptomatic of the East-West conflict and not the result of apartheid ideology. &#8230;.. Peter Beyerhaus, The Kairos Document &#8211; Challenge or Danger to the Church? &#8230;</p>
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		<title>Kommentar zu Racism is false and evil &#8211; Interview von Albert Knox</title>
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		<dc:creator>Albert Knox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jan 2012 02:16:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That inane book was only propaganda without any real effect, and that conference was only to evade responsability from Berlin Mission in apartheid.
Peter Beyerhaus was and is in favor from:
Racism, segregation, apartheid and against white german lutheran churches and schools in namibia and south africa to stand apart and separated/segregated from black churches.
Him is a member or supporter  from following racists and fascists groups:
Evangelische Not Gemeinschaft
Malta Knights Order
Junge Freiheit Magazine 
Gospel Defense League, this group led by Dorothea Scarborough is in favor from apartheid even nowadays
IKBG
Saints Paul and Peter Confessing Brotherhood.
Him was writing against Kairos document, him offensively called to Ander Byers Naude &quot;false prophet&quot;, and termed &quot;false christians&quot; to Allan Boezak, Desmond Tutu and other anti-apartheid leaders.
And last but least, him as you fail to denonunce use from taxes money and EKD/Catholic Church support to Stille Hilfe ; while is rudely criticizing Millenium Development Goals, and telling to poor workers to &quot;just pray&quot;, when overwhelmed with poverty and low salaries, and criticizing to labor unions, and human right to strikes.
Permit me to post here various links and references proving these points, but in different commentaries.
Your blog impedes me to post diverse links in 1 comment.
[PDF] 
Chapter Three: The Kairos Document - Yesterday and Today
upetd.up.ac.za/thesis/.../etd.../02chapters3-4.pdf - 
 PDF/Adobe Acrobat
de WM Mabuza - 2010
29 Jul 2010 – that apartheid is crumbling and that the clear signs are there of it only ...... reason from those of theologians such as Peter Beyerhaus who wrote ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That inane book was only propaganda without any real effect, and that conference was only to evade responsability from Berlin Mission in apartheid.<br />
Peter Beyerhaus was and is in favor from:<br />
Racism, segregation, apartheid and against white german lutheran churches and schools in namibia and south africa to stand apart and separated/segregated from black churches.<br />
Him is a member or supporter  from following racists and fascists groups:<br />
Evangelische Not Gemeinschaft<br />
Malta Knights Order<br />
Junge Freiheit Magazine<br />
Gospel Defense League, this group led by Dorothea Scarborough is in favor from apartheid even nowadays<br />
IKBG<br />
Saints Paul and Peter Confessing Brotherhood.<br />
Him was writing against Kairos document, him offensively called to Ander Byers Naude &#8220;false prophet&#8221;, and termed &#8220;false christians&#8221; to Allan Boezak, Desmond Tutu and other anti-apartheid leaders.<br />
And last but least, him as you fail to denonunce use from taxes money and EKD/Catholic Church support to Stille Hilfe ; while is rudely criticizing Millenium Development Goals, and telling to poor workers to &#8220;just pray&#8221;, when overwhelmed with poverty and low salaries, and criticizing to labor unions, and human right to strikes.<br />
Permit me to post here various links and references proving these points, but in different commentaries.<br />
Your blog impedes me to post diverse links in 1 comment.<br />
[PDF]<br />
Chapter Three: The Kairos Document &#8211; Yesterday and Today<br />
upetd.up.ac.za/thesis/&#8230;/etd&#8230;/02chapters3-4.pdf &#8211;<br />
 PDF/Adobe Acrobat<br />
de WM Mabuza &#8211; 2010<br />
29 Jul 2010 – that apartheid is crumbling and that the clear signs are there of it only &#8230;&#8230; reason from those of theologians such as Peter Beyerhaus who wrote &#8230;</p>
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		<title>Kommentar zu Evangelicals and Ethics von Lux et Veritatis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lux et Veritatis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jan 2012 18:36:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Saint Peter and Saint Paul Broterhood, where P. Beyerhaus is a member, is a seven sacrament order.
Just void talking and writing against racism is absolutely useless and pointless.
Sanctions, massive boycott in sports, products, etc., military measures, etc. did take down apartheid and it must to be used nowadays also.
That theologians and institutions was everytimes against every real action against apartheid, including documents signed by african theologians, economic sanctions against racist south africa; as they are today against every action in favor from suffering immigrants in  neo-nazi germany from nowadays.
German speaking lutheran churches and private lutheran schools in namibia and south africa, are racially segregationists even now, and never has ceased to get subsidies from Evangelische Not Gemeinschaft and every other lutheran institution in germany.
Never they get critiques from german churches.
This wasn´t talkative parsons who end the racism.
Only governments can create difference, forcing by laws to racist german people,including to very extremely  racist german evangelicals, to accept the natural right from foreigners to live, and work in Germany, to get wellfare subsidies,(a fair albeit only partial compensation to many atrocities caused by germans in history, as by examples savage and brutal colonialism and holocaust, invasion of poland, etc.); and last but no least to marry german women, no only german men-near no racist object when a white &quot;macho&quot; is married crossing the racial divide- and to adopt white german children and raise them free from racist german culture.
I pray Volker Beck triumph in take to the task, to people abusing Gospel in order to further a political agenda from far right wing as it is so usual in evangelical churches in Germany.
Micah Call and Millenium Development Goals, as by other part labor unions, worker&#039;s right to strikes are permanently bashed by that german churchmen, you wrongly refers as heroes from social improvement.
WEA Theological News Issue 40 Sept 2005
www.theoledafrica.org/.../2005/040_200509.asp - Traducir esta página
Blankenburg, September 16 (idea) Professor Peter Beyerhaus, ... As one example Beyerhaus mentioned the Millennium Development Goal of halving extreme ...
And last but no least old lutheran noble families in Germany are unchristians, period!.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Saint Peter and Saint Paul Broterhood, where P. Beyerhaus is a member, is a seven sacrament order.<br />
Just void talking and writing against racism is absolutely useless and pointless.<br />
Sanctions, massive boycott in sports, products, etc., military measures, etc. did take down apartheid and it must to be used nowadays also.<br />
That theologians and institutions was everytimes against every real action against apartheid, including documents signed by african theologians, economic sanctions against racist south africa; as they are today against every action in favor from suffering immigrants in  neo-nazi germany from nowadays.<br />
German speaking lutheran churches and private lutheran schools in namibia and south africa, are racially segregationists even now, and never has ceased to get subsidies from Evangelische Not Gemeinschaft and every other lutheran institution in germany.<br />
Never they get critiques from german churches.<br />
This wasn´t talkative parsons who end the racism.<br />
Only governments can create difference, forcing by laws to racist german people,including to very extremely  racist german evangelicals, to accept the natural right from foreigners to live, and work in Germany, to get wellfare subsidies,(a fair albeit only partial compensation to many atrocities caused by germans in history, as by examples savage and brutal colonialism and holocaust, invasion of poland, etc.); and last but no least to marry german women, no only german men-near no racist object when a white &#8220;macho&#8221; is married crossing the racial divide- and to adopt white german children and raise them free from racist german culture.<br />
I pray Volker Beck triumph in take to the task, to people abusing Gospel in order to further a political agenda from far right wing as it is so usual in evangelical churches in Germany.<br />
Micah Call and Millenium Development Goals, as by other part labor unions, worker&#8217;s right to strikes are permanently bashed by that german churchmen, you wrongly refers as heroes from social improvement.<br />
WEA Theological News Issue 40 Sept 2005<br />
<a href="http://www.theoledafrica.org/.../2005/040_200509.asp" rel="nofollow" class="liexternal">http://www.theoledafrica.org/&#8230;/2005/040_200509.asp</a> &#8211; Traducir esta página<br />
Blankenburg, September 16 (idea) Professor Peter Beyerhaus, &#8230; As one example Beyerhaus mentioned the Millennium Development Goal of halving extreme &#8230;<br />
And last but no least old lutheran noble families in Germany are unchristians, period!.</p>
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		<title>Kommentar zu When Indian Dalits Convert to Christianity or Islam, they lose Social Welfare Benefits and Rights they are Guaranteed under the Constitution von R L Francis</title>
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		<dc:creator>R L Francis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jan 2012 08:28:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An Open Letter of Indian Dalit Christians to HIS HOLINESS POPE BENEDICT XVI and Church Authority
December 23, 2011
Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you&quot; - St Matthew 7.7

His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI
Secretariat of State 
00120 Vatican City State - Europe
                                               
Wish You a Merry Christmas and New Year
Your Holiness,
The debate related to the status of Christians in India is going on and you are already aware of it. There are two points to this wide ranging debate. Firstly, social, economic and political status of converted Christians and second is growing tension in different parts of country due to conversion related activities. The second has more to do with the way catholic church adopts to function in the country. 
 According to official estimates of government, there are 30 million Christians in the country and 70 percent of this population has directly come from socially and economically downtrodden community popularly known as “Dalits”. However, as per unofficial figures the population of minority Christians is not less than 60-70 million. Irony is that; these people have been constantly suppressed and exploited even under the structure of catholic church being led by you (Pope). They are ridiculed for their sacrifices made hundreds of years ago for the church. They don’t command equal status in the existing structure of church and this has made the sacrifices futile. Christianity stresses on the fact that God has created people with his own image and this has become founding stone of equality of human values in Christian society. But, they are continuously meted out differential treatment in the name of caste and birth. In order to catch your attention towards these core issues, I am writing this letter to you. I am going to discuss first core issue. 

Ideology of Church
Theoretically, there is no place for non-equality and racism in the Christianity and when it is attached with identity of Catholic Church; the concept of caste automatically vanishes like camphor as the word ‘Catholic- means-Universal’. There is only one head of this universal community of people and that is none other than representative of Vicar of Christ which is responsible for recruitment of Bishops in order to guide their disciples. In that way Holy Father/Pope means ‘you’ are responsible for maintaining ‘Kingdom of heaven’ on the earth. Now, you should explain me where is the place of dirty ideology like casteism and racism in this ‘Kingdom of heaven’?
 Deprived class in Indian church
Downtrodden class in India has always been victim of unequal treatment, casteism and social exploitation. In order to seek solace and relief from their pathetic condition they are still coming under the aegis of church for the last 3 or 4 centuries. But, here, too, they have been exploited in the name of caste and race. The hope with which they had come in the Christianity seems to have forfeited. On the contrary, they are now entangled in even deeper quagmire of inequality. 
 Church moving opposite to the ideology of Christianity
Catholic Church has completely failed in its duty to provide equality and justice to that majority of converted people under the structure controlled by you (Pope). The resources have been captured by upper-class Christians. After independence of India Catholic Church has immensely progressed which is reflected from heavy increase in the number of schools, colleges, social institutions, new diocese, Fathers, Bishops, nuns and their followers? However, despite this entire progress one thing that has not changed is the status of converted Christians. 
Converted Christians are the backbone of Catholic Church in India but their participation in the structure of Catholic Church is zero. Bishop, Father and Cardinal from this class are rare to find and those who somehow managed after hard fought struggle are standing marginalized in the society. They are being treated differently by their upper-class brothers (Bishops and Fathers). 
Thousands of organizations related to education, health and non-governmental organizations are being run by church and right to run these institutions has been conferred by Indian constitution. The structure of church being run under Vatican (You) has failed to do justice with converted Christians.  Understanding the gravity of the situation Pope John Paul-II had severely criticized the attitude of unequal treatment and discriminatory approach in the church. In 2003, he had said that Bishops were appointed to look after lambs and it is their duty to abolish any kind of discrimination prevalent in the catholic church. 
Betrayal of faith 
There is widespread anger among converted Christians against the policies adopted by the church. They have started demanding their rights within the existing structure of church. The response of church has been abysmal in this regard. The church leadership has termed this anger unjustified. Instead of addressing the genuine concerns of converted Christians they have shied away from their responsibilities and are trying to shift it on government of India. This is being done in order to fulfill their own ulterior motive. By doing so church is pushing these people in the same quagmire of caste system.   
When Indian constitution was being framed, constitution makers advocated for reservation of dalit class who were victim of caste oppression in the prevalent Hindu system. Majority of Hindu people sacrificed their right to equality in favour of their dalit brothers as a compensation of injustice meted out to them. 
Your Holiness, do your representatives have moral right to betray the faith of those who had blindly believed on church and its promises. They have given their whole life to church. The story is similar to the poor widow about whom Jesus had said to their disciples, “Truly I tell you, this poor widow has put more into the treasury than all the others.  They all gave out of their wealth; but she, out of her poverty, put in everything—all she had to live on.” (Mark 12: 41-44) we dalit catholic, had also left the facilities (reservation) given by Indian government.
Church should compensate
Church is now blaming others for its failures. When Indian constitution was being framed these converted Christians remained in the fold of church and did not switch their loyalties. Within the framework of constitution minorities were given special rights and privileges that were even unthinkable in USA and Europe. Taking benefit of these rights church has enlarged its empire but seems to have forgotten converted Christians. Church leadership is trying stifling the just demand of their own people who are backbone of the Catholic Church in the country.  
Now, church leadership has no moral right to bring the converted people in the realm of same caste system that has oppressed them for centuries. Had they not gone in the fold of church and continued with the Hindu system they, too, would have enjoyed benefits bestowed upon them by constitution of India and progressed like their other Dalit Hindu brothers in the same fashion.  

After government of India, church is the only organized entity that can make available jobs but the participation of converted Christians is very low and maximum they can get is post of driver, cook, clerk, peon and gatekeeper. These jobs, too, can be availed on the mercy of Bishops and their condition is no better than slave laborer. I demand from church that they should compensate for the injustice and exploitation meted out to millions of converted Christians. Vatican had done this in the past and it can also be done here.  
Church should change its policy 
Church has always preferred safe trade. It has established thousands of schools, colleges and other institutions. This has benefited a lot to church leadership but majority of converted Christians have been largely deprived. Even in the field of education where church has practically monopoly it has failed to benefit converted Christians. We will not stop just after getting few benefits but Dalit Christians want their due share in the existing structure. Hindu society is changing very fast. Doors of temples are being opened for Dalit Hindus and many programmes are being run to abolish ignominious caste system whereas Christianity has not been able to do minor changes in its structure. Hindu dalits are constantly moving on but this is not the case with converted Christian society. Church administration being led by you is pushing them back. Perhaps their thinking is to assimilate converted Christians among 300 million Hindus. They believe that this will make the task of church leadership easier. Why it is that church leadership always seeks solution in putting converted Christians in the list of Hindu dalits. 
It is the duty of church leadership that process of development should not only be being smooth. It is good to have institutions/policy made for the welfare of people. However, it is even more important that who are implementing them? Converted Christians should get share proportionate to their population. Unless and until this happens their position in the society will remain the same and their problems will persist.  
Your Holiness, 
In the first point I have tried to elaborate the first point related to the problems faced by converted Christians. In India the relationship between Catholic Church and its followers is not based on democratic set-up. Inside the church upper-caste Christians have more opportunity to progress than converted Christians. Considering the status of these people some fundamental structural changes are needed. At present Bishop is the “Key power” and they are appointed by the Vatican and that is why they feel themselves more responsible towards Vatican and less towards Kalisia. Most of the Catholics are of the view that Bishop should be elected by Kalisia and not by the Vatican so that they could be made more responsible towards their people. 
 
Evangelization and escalating tension 
Recently, for the sake of safety and security of Christian society you have appealed to Hindu society that they should stand-up against condemnable hate propaganda against Christians and should pave the way for religious freedom. Your concerns are genuine as tension between Christians and people from other faith has escalated over the years and at some places it has even taken violent turn. Be it ignominious incident of burning of Graham Stains with his two children in 1999 or Kandhmal riots or violence at some other place. Indian society has always opposed violence on the name of caste or religion. Indian government has acted swiftly whenever such incidents have taken place. Perpetrators of crime have been punished. Government has also constituted various commissions in this regard and their reports have been startling. 
India has always been glorious symbol of tolerance and has shown respect for all religions and faiths with the feeling of amicable co-existence. There is no place for non-tolerant faith among majority of Hindu community. Every citizen respects fundamental right of religious freedom of other people. 
Many commissions constituted by government on the wake of violent instances against Christians have also indicated towards imperialistic nature of church. There is an urgent need for introspection on the method of propagation of Christian faith as they have become instruments of growing tension with people of other faith. We can stop this by changing the current practices by the church and help create amicable atmosphere.  
Freedom of church in India 
Indian church and Christians have rights that are not even available to European church. In the matters related to Hindus, Muslims, Sikhs and other religions there is some government intervention. For example, properties of religious institutions in Muslims are looked after by Waqf board. Similarly, religious properties in Sikhs are also managed according to Indian law. Government has direct control over the income of big temples and this money is spent on upliftment of deprived class.  
But, government has no intervention in matters pertaining to Christians. Bishops are appointed by you and Vatican and Fathers/Bishops has ownership over huge assets and resources of church. Though, even in Europe many countries have control over the properties of church. India is one such country where church enjoys immense religious freedom.  

Introspection of evangelization policy is necessary.  
Recently, Pontifical Council for Inter-religious Dialogue has raised few questions about status of religious freedom in India. The indication was towards anti-conversion law made by few states in India. Church is facing difficulty after enactment of this law. They should understand that Indian constitution allows anybody to follow faith of his/her choice and even allows propagation of religion. But, nobody can justify conversion of scheduled caste and tribes under the garb of social service. There is a thin line between propagation of once faith and conversion. If state gives absolute freedom to those who have sole motive of conversion then it is the duty of the state to intervene in the matter. This becomes all the more important considering wherever conversion has taken place in large number social tension has increased. 
This year Vatican had convened a meeting of various heads of faiths in Assisi of Italy on October 27. In this meeting Indian representation had tried to attract the attention of Vatican towards conversion. As a matter of fact if Vatican really wants amicable solution to various problems faced by Christianity then it is the church that will have to play larger role in the process.  

Development of converted Christians should be goal of church
Your Holiness, 
Theoretically in Christianity advocates for equality but in practice reality is starkly different.  Discriminatory caste policies of Catholic Church fail the basic motive of Christianity. In reality, condition of converted Christians worsens after conversion. Church should bring a White Paper on the matter that how much church has progressed after independence and how much progress converted Christians have made during the same period.  
Church receives huge donation in the name of social service and development of disciples of the faith but hardly anything has changed on the ground. This is certainly a food for thought that where this money goes? 
Poor Christian Liberation Movement (PCLM) an umbrella organization of Dalit Christians is of the view that church officials don’t want to leave any benefit currently enjoyed by them at any cost. They are not at all concerned with the betterment of converted Christians. This is why there is no hint of betterment of the status of this community even in distant future. The current system harbours inequality. That is why it will be wrong to expect that things will change in near future. 
Converted Christians are looking towards you with lot of hope and we request you to take concrete step for the change in fundamental structure of church. 
Yours in Christ
 
R L Francis
President
Poor Christian Liberation Movement (PCLM)
www.dalitchristian.com
Copy to:
H.E. Archbishop Salvatore Pennacchio                 
Titular Archbishop of Montemarano
Apostolic Nuncio 
50-C, Niti Marg, Chanakyapuri
New Delhi – 110 021

Cardinal Oswald Gracias
President 
Catholic Bishops’ Conference of  India (CBCI) 
C.B.C.I centre 
1, Ashok Place 
Near Gole Dakkhana 
New Delhi - 110 001, India.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An Open Letter of Indian Dalit Christians to HIS HOLINESS POPE BENEDICT XVI and Church Authority<br />
December 23, 2011<br />
Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you&#8221; &#8211; St Matthew 7.7</p>
<p>His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI<br />
Secretariat of State<br />
00120 Vatican City State &#8211; Europe</p>
<p>Wish You a Merry Christmas and New Year<br />
Your Holiness,<br />
The debate related to the status of Christians in India is going on and you are already aware of it. There are two points to this wide ranging debate. Firstly, social, economic and political status of converted Christians and second is growing tension in different parts of country due to conversion related activities. The second has more to do with the way catholic church adopts to function in the country.<br />
 According to official estimates of government, there are 30 million Christians in the country and 70 percent of this population has directly come from socially and economically downtrodden community popularly known as “Dalits”. However, as per unofficial figures the population of minority Christians is not less than 60-70 million. Irony is that; these people have been constantly suppressed and exploited even under the structure of catholic church being led by you (Pope). They are ridiculed for their sacrifices made hundreds of years ago for the church. They don’t command equal status in the existing structure of church and this has made the sacrifices futile. Christianity stresses on the fact that God has created people with his own image and this has become founding stone of equality of human values in Christian society. But, they are continuously meted out differential treatment in the name of caste and birth. In order to catch your attention towards these core issues, I am writing this letter to you. I am going to discuss first core issue. </p>
<p>Ideology of Church<br />
Theoretically, there is no place for non-equality and racism in the Christianity and when it is attached with identity of Catholic Church; the concept of caste automatically vanishes like camphor as the word ‘Catholic- means-Universal’. There is only one head of this universal community of people and that is none other than representative of Vicar of Christ which is responsible for recruitment of Bishops in order to guide their disciples. In that way Holy Father/Pope means ‘you’ are responsible for maintaining ‘Kingdom of heaven’ on the earth. Now, you should explain me where is the place of dirty ideology like casteism and racism in this ‘Kingdom of heaven’?<br />
 Deprived class in Indian church<br />
Downtrodden class in India has always been victim of unequal treatment, casteism and social exploitation. In order to seek solace and relief from their pathetic condition they are still coming under the aegis of church for the last 3 or 4 centuries. But, here, too, they have been exploited in the name of caste and race. The hope with which they had come in the Christianity seems to have forfeited. On the contrary, they are now entangled in even deeper quagmire of inequality.<br />
 Church moving opposite to the ideology of Christianity<br />
Catholic Church has completely failed in its duty to provide equality and justice to that majority of converted people under the structure controlled by you (Pope). The resources have been captured by upper-class Christians. After independence of India Catholic Church has immensely progressed which is reflected from heavy increase in the number of schools, colleges, social institutions, new diocese, Fathers, Bishops, nuns and their followers? However, despite this entire progress one thing that has not changed is the status of converted Christians.<br />
Converted Christians are the backbone of Catholic Church in India but their participation in the structure of Catholic Church is zero. Bishop, Father and Cardinal from this class are rare to find and those who somehow managed after hard fought struggle are standing marginalized in the society. They are being treated differently by their upper-class brothers (Bishops and Fathers).<br />
Thousands of organizations related to education, health and non-governmental organizations are being run by church and right to run these institutions has been conferred by Indian constitution. The structure of church being run under Vatican (You) has failed to do justice with converted Christians.  Understanding the gravity of the situation Pope John Paul-II had severely criticized the attitude of unequal treatment and discriminatory approach in the church. In 2003, he had said that Bishops were appointed to look after lambs and it is their duty to abolish any kind of discrimination prevalent in the catholic church.<br />
Betrayal of faith<br />
There is widespread anger among converted Christians against the policies adopted by the church. They have started demanding their rights within the existing structure of church. The response of church has been abysmal in this regard. The church leadership has termed this anger unjustified. Instead of addressing the genuine concerns of converted Christians they have shied away from their responsibilities and are trying to shift it on government of India. This is being done in order to fulfill their own ulterior motive. By doing so church is pushing these people in the same quagmire of caste system.<br />
When Indian constitution was being framed, constitution makers advocated for reservation of dalit class who were victim of caste oppression in the prevalent Hindu system. Majority of Hindu people sacrificed their right to equality in favour of their dalit brothers as a compensation of injustice meted out to them.<br />
Your Holiness, do your representatives have moral right to betray the faith of those who had blindly believed on church and its promises. They have given their whole life to church. The story is similar to the poor widow about whom Jesus had said to their disciples, “Truly I tell you, this poor widow has put more into the treasury than all the others.  They all gave out of their wealth; but she, out of her poverty, put in everything—all she had to live on.” (Mark 12: 41-44) we dalit catholic, had also left the facilities (reservation) given by Indian government.<br />
Church should compensate<br />
Church is now blaming others for its failures. When Indian constitution was being framed these converted Christians remained in the fold of church and did not switch their loyalties. Within the framework of constitution minorities were given special rights and privileges that were even unthinkable in USA and Europe. Taking benefit of these rights church has enlarged its empire but seems to have forgotten converted Christians. Church leadership is trying stifling the just demand of their own people who are backbone of the Catholic Church in the country.<br />
Now, church leadership has no moral right to bring the converted people in the realm of same caste system that has oppressed them for centuries. Had they not gone in the fold of church and continued with the Hindu system they, too, would have enjoyed benefits bestowed upon them by constitution of India and progressed like their other Dalit Hindu brothers in the same fashion.  </p>
<p>After government of India, church is the only organized entity that can make available jobs but the participation of converted Christians is very low and maximum they can get is post of driver, cook, clerk, peon and gatekeeper. These jobs, too, can be availed on the mercy of Bishops and their condition is no better than slave laborer. I demand from church that they should compensate for the injustice and exploitation meted out to millions of converted Christians. Vatican had done this in the past and it can also be done here.<br />
Church should change its policy<br />
Church has always preferred safe trade. It has established thousands of schools, colleges and other institutions. This has benefited a lot to church leadership but majority of converted Christians have been largely deprived. Even in the field of education where church has practically monopoly it has failed to benefit converted Christians. We will not stop just after getting few benefits but Dalit Christians want their due share in the existing structure. Hindu society is changing very fast. Doors of temples are being opened for Dalit Hindus and many programmes are being run to abolish ignominious caste system whereas Christianity has not been able to do minor changes in its structure. Hindu dalits are constantly moving on but this is not the case with converted Christian society. Church administration being led by you is pushing them back. Perhaps their thinking is to assimilate converted Christians among 300 million Hindus. They believe that this will make the task of church leadership easier. Why it is that church leadership always seeks solution in putting converted Christians in the list of Hindu dalits.<br />
It is the duty of church leadership that process of development should not only be being smooth. It is good to have institutions/policy made for the welfare of people. However, it is even more important that who are implementing them? Converted Christians should get share proportionate to their population. Unless and until this happens their position in the society will remain the same and their problems will persist.<br />
Your Holiness,<br />
In the first point I have tried to elaborate the first point related to the problems faced by converted Christians. In India the relationship between Catholic Church and its followers is not based on democratic set-up. Inside the church upper-caste Christians have more opportunity to progress than converted Christians. Considering the status of these people some fundamental structural changes are needed. At present Bishop is the “Key power” and they are appointed by the Vatican and that is why they feel themselves more responsible towards Vatican and less towards Kalisia. Most of the Catholics are of the view that Bishop should be elected by Kalisia and not by the Vatican so that they could be made more responsible towards their people. </p>
<p>Evangelization and escalating tension<br />
Recently, for the sake of safety and security of Christian society you have appealed to Hindu society that they should stand-up against condemnable hate propaganda against Christians and should pave the way for religious freedom. Your concerns are genuine as tension between Christians and people from other faith has escalated over the years and at some places it has even taken violent turn. Be it ignominious incident of burning of Graham Stains with his two children in 1999 or Kandhmal riots or violence at some other place. Indian society has always opposed violence on the name of caste or religion. Indian government has acted swiftly whenever such incidents have taken place. Perpetrators of crime have been punished. Government has also constituted various commissions in this regard and their reports have been startling.<br />
India has always been glorious symbol of tolerance and has shown respect for all religions and faiths with the feeling of amicable co-existence. There is no place for non-tolerant faith among majority of Hindu community. Every citizen respects fundamental right of religious freedom of other people.<br />
Many commissions constituted by government on the wake of violent instances against Christians have also indicated towards imperialistic nature of church. There is an urgent need for introspection on the method of propagation of Christian faith as they have become instruments of growing tension with people of other faith. We can stop this by changing the current practices by the church and help create amicable atmosphere.<br />
Freedom of church in India<br />
Indian church and Christians have rights that are not even available to European church. In the matters related to Hindus, Muslims, Sikhs and other religions there is some government intervention. For example, properties of religious institutions in Muslims are looked after by Waqf board. Similarly, religious properties in Sikhs are also managed according to Indian law. Government has direct control over the income of big temples and this money is spent on upliftment of deprived class.<br />
But, government has no intervention in matters pertaining to Christians. Bishops are appointed by you and Vatican and Fathers/Bishops has ownership over huge assets and resources of church. Though, even in Europe many countries have control over the properties of church. India is one such country where church enjoys immense religious freedom.  </p>
<p>Introspection of evangelization policy is necessary.<br />
Recently, Pontifical Council for Inter-religious Dialogue has raised few questions about status of religious freedom in India. The indication was towards anti-conversion law made by few states in India. Church is facing difficulty after enactment of this law. They should understand that Indian constitution allows anybody to follow faith of his/her choice and even allows propagation of religion. But, nobody can justify conversion of scheduled caste and tribes under the garb of social service. There is a thin line between propagation of once faith and conversion. If state gives absolute freedom to those who have sole motive of conversion then it is the duty of the state to intervene in the matter. This becomes all the more important considering wherever conversion has taken place in large number social tension has increased.<br />
This year Vatican had convened a meeting of various heads of faiths in Assisi of Italy on October 27. In this meeting Indian representation had tried to attract the attention of Vatican towards conversion. As a matter of fact if Vatican really wants amicable solution to various problems faced by Christianity then it is the church that will have to play larger role in the process.  </p>
<p>Development of converted Christians should be goal of church<br />
Your Holiness,<br />
Theoretically in Christianity advocates for equality but in practice reality is starkly different.  Discriminatory caste policies of Catholic Church fail the basic motive of Christianity. In reality, condition of converted Christians worsens after conversion. Church should bring a White Paper on the matter that how much church has progressed after independence and how much progress converted Christians have made during the same period.<br />
Church receives huge donation in the name of social service and development of disciples of the faith but hardly anything has changed on the ground. This is certainly a food for thought that where this money goes?<br />
Poor Christian Liberation Movement (PCLM) an umbrella organization of Dalit Christians is of the view that church officials don’t want to leave any benefit currently enjoyed by them at any cost. They are not at all concerned with the betterment of converted Christians. This is why there is no hint of betterment of the status of this community even in distant future. The current system harbours inequality. That is why it will be wrong to expect that things will change in near future.<br />
Converted Christians are looking towards you with lot of hope and we request you to take concrete step for the change in fundamental structure of church.<br />
Yours in Christ</p>
<p>R L Francis<br />
President<br />
Poor Christian Liberation Movement (PCLM)<br />
<a href="http://www.dalitchristian.com" rel="nofollow" class="liexternal">http://www.dalitchristian.com</a><br />
Copy to:<br />
H.E. Archbishop Salvatore Pennacchio<br />
Titular Archbishop of Montemarano<br />
Apostolic Nuncio<br />
50-C, Niti Marg, Chanakyapuri<br />
New Delhi – 110 021</p>
<p>Cardinal Oswald Gracias<br />
President<br />
Catholic Bishops’ Conference of  India (CBCI)<br />
C.B.C.I centre<br />
1, Ashok Place<br />
Near Gole Dakkhana<br />
New Delhi &#8211; 110 001, India.</p>
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		<dc:creator>thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jan 2012 18:58:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is a really long comment and would take half a book to answer all your questions. But let&#039;s try.
In the evangelical world thousands of books from the American (and British) market are translated into all kind of languages. In many countries, even in Germany, a vast part of the evangelical books available are translations from the US. In the other side, the large US market only rarely translates books from German, French or Dutch, not speak about non-Western languages. The US market raely distributes Evangelical books in English originally published in Idia or Kenia. World Evangelical Alliance has started the Global Issues Series as a first test to counterbalance this, but from point of view it is 1. a financial quetsion and 2. a lot cultural bias, which prevent change.

But now to your objections:
* Beyerhaus in a high church Lutheran onyl in his old age (bot not a seven sacraments Lutheran, but believing in bishops). But for decades he was a leading represantative of the evangelical movement her. I hear for the first time, that he is against the Micah-Call - here in germany he never spoke against it.
* Black Cross in German ist &quot;Schwarzes Kreuz&quot;, the website is http://www.naechstenliebe-befreit.de/ I do not see an English website.
* Concerning Christlieb, the topic of my first dissertation: until 1870 Germany consisted of dozens of souvereign states, from large ones like Autsria and Prussia to small ones. &quot;West-Germany&quot; was the name given to the former Catholic part of Germany, which after Napoleon became Prussian. So when German historians speak of &quot;West Germany&quot;, they mean the area which today is mainly Northrhine-Westfalie and Rheinladn-Pfalz.
* The trade is called the &quot;Indo-British opium trade&quot;, because &quot;Indo-Britain&quot; was the name of India under the rule of the British. This bart of Britain traded the opium by force to China.
* I have not only written a book against communist views of folklore, but also on nazi views. I wrote several books on nacism, including the 900 pp. volume &quot;Hitler&#039;s Religion of War&quot; - but sorry, in German only.
* I published against racists articles in the named journals. I still do it my blog on more recent examples. And in my book &quot;racism&quot; I speak against innerchucrh and outerchurch racism in Germany very clearly.
* The Spiegel Skandal? I was a baby by than. But I published a clear book on the freedom of press.
* Your last sentence mentions so many think at the same time that I do not get its real meaning. But I do not understand, how you can know what I condemn or not, as you do not seem to know my 100 books and many articles.
* I do fear what? Well, at least I know, that Germany is not a Christian country, but definitly needs a lot of people from the Global South preaching the gospel and getting people to believe in God, in sin, in forgiveness and living a holy life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is a really long comment and would take half a book to answer all your questions. But let&#8217;s try.<br />
In the evangelical world thousands of books from the American (and British) market are translated into all kind of languages. In many countries, even in Germany, a vast part of the evangelical books available are translations from the US. In the other side, the large US market only rarely translates books from German, French or Dutch, not speak about non-Western languages. The US market raely distributes Evangelical books in English originally published in Idia or Kenia. World Evangelical Alliance has started the Global Issues Series as a first test to counterbalance this, but from point of view it is 1. a financial quetsion and 2. a lot cultural bias, which prevent change.</p>
<p>But now to your objections:<br />
* Beyerhaus in a high church Lutheran onyl in his old age (bot not a seven sacraments Lutheran, but believing in bishops). But for decades he was a leading represantative of the evangelical movement her. I hear for the first time, that he is against the Micah-Call &#8211; here in germany he never spoke against it.<br />
* Black Cross in German ist &#8220;Schwarzes Kreuz&#8221;, the website is <a href="http://www.naechstenliebe-befreit.de/" rel="nofollow" class="liexternal">http://www.naechstenliebe-befreit.de/</a> I do not see an English website.<br />
* Concerning Christlieb, the topic of my first dissertation: until 1870 Germany consisted of dozens of souvereign states, from large ones like Autsria and Prussia to small ones. &#8220;West-Germany&#8221; was the name given to the former Catholic part of Germany, which after Napoleon became Prussian. So when German historians speak of &#8220;West Germany&#8221;, they mean the area which today is mainly Northrhine-Westfalie and Rheinladn-Pfalz.<br />
* The trade is called the &#8220;Indo-British opium trade&#8221;, because &#8220;Indo-Britain&#8221; was the name of India under the rule of the British. This bart of Britain traded the opium by force to China.<br />
* I have not only written a book against communist views of folklore, but also on nazi views. I wrote several books on nacism, including the 900 pp. volume &#8220;Hitler&#8217;s Religion of War&#8221; &#8211; but sorry, in German only.<br />
* I published against racists articles in the named journals. I still do it my blog on more recent examples. And in my book &#8220;racism&#8221; I speak against innerchucrh and outerchurch racism in Germany very clearly.<br />
* The Spiegel Skandal? I was a baby by than. But I published a clear book on the freedom of press.<br />
* Your last sentence mentions so many think at the same time that I do not get its real meaning. But I do not understand, how you can know what I condemn or not, as you do not seem to know my 100 books and many articles.<br />
* I do fear what? Well, at least I know, that Germany is not a Christian country, but definitly needs a lot of people from the Global South preaching the gospel and getting people to believe in God, in sin, in forgiveness and living a holy life.</p>
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		<dc:creator>thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jan 2012 18:32:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Spiritual Double Track&quot; was the name of a document by a group of evangelical pastors in Germany who stated that you cannot preach the gospel and at the same time favour stationing of ballistic missiles in Germany. It#s up to those psators why they used this name, I just report it.

OJC has a longstanding record fighting against racism in South Africa and worldwide since its inception in 1970. They invited black church leaders and politians over to Germany to report on South africa for decades. The published history of OJC proves this.

Beyerhaus spoke against racism at the famous Lausanne Conference 1974 and published a book against racism, which I still own. There is no prove that he ever had another position.

What both do and think on other topics was and is not the topic of my blog here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Spiritual Double Track&#8221; was the name of a document by a group of evangelical pastors in Germany who stated that you cannot preach the gospel and at the same time favour stationing of ballistic missiles in Germany. It#s up to those psators why they used this name, I just report it.</p>
<p>OJC has a longstanding record fighting against racism in South Africa and worldwide since its inception in 1970. They invited black church leaders and politians over to Germany to report on South africa for decades. The published history of OJC proves this.</p>
<p>Beyerhaus spoke against racism at the famous Lausanne Conference 1974 and published a book against racism, which I still own. There is no prove that he ever had another position.</p>
<p>What both do and think on other topics was and is not the topic of my blog here.</p>
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		<dc:creator>thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jan 2012 18:26:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OJC has a longstanding record fighting against racism in South Africa and worldwide since its inception in 1970. They invited black church leaders and politians over to Germany to report on South africa for decades. The published history of OJC proves this.
Beyerhaus spoke against racism at the famous Lausanne Conference 1974 and published a book against racism, which I still own. There is no prove that he ever had another position.
What both do and think on other topics was and is not the topic of my blog here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OJC has a longstanding record fighting against racism in South Africa and worldwide since its inception in 1970. They invited black church leaders and politians over to Germany to report on South africa for decades. The published history of OJC proves this.<br />
Beyerhaus spoke against racism at the famous Lausanne Conference 1974 and published a book against racism, which I still own. There is no prove that he ever had another position.<br />
What both do and think on other topics was and is not the topic of my blog here.</p>
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		<title>Kommentar zu Evangelicals and Ethics von eliécer guillén</title>
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		<dc:creator>eliécer guillén</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Nov 2011 22:43:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How to name an Evangelistic crusade &quot;Spiritual Double Track&quot; mean to stand against NATO’s double-track resolution regarding the stationing medium range ballistic missiles in Germany?.
And how to‘Young Christians’ Offensive’ (Offensive Junger Christen, or OJC) were massively engaged against apartheid in South Africa in the 1970s , if them are only a group counseling against homosexuality?.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How to name an Evangelistic crusade &#8220;Spiritual Double Track&#8221; mean to stand against NATO’s double-track resolution regarding the stationing medium range ballistic missiles in Germany?.<br />
And how to‘Young Christians’ Offensive’ (Offensive Junger Christen, or OJC) were massively engaged against apartheid in South Africa in the 1970s , if them are only a group counseling against homosexuality?.</p>
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		<dc:creator>Albert Knox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Nov 2011 00:39:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Greetings!.
You are profoundly confused on Beyerhaus:
http://web.uct.ac.za/depts/ricsa/trc/j69arend.htm#15
OJC is against homosexuality, no racism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Greetings!.<br />
You are profoundly confused on Beyerhaus:<br />
<a href="http://web.uct.ac.za/depts/ricsa/trc/j69arend.htm#15" rel="nofollow" class="liexternal">http://web.uct.ac.za/depts/ricsa/trc/j69arend.htm#15</a><br />
OJC is against homosexuality, no racism.</p>
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